Curse

samcobra · May 08, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Please, I would like as much feedback as possible.

edit: Tested assassins with falling spider,etc. Heroes are capable of using said skills after a KD

Please reply with skill types or combinations or specific skills themselves that heroes cannot use properly.

Tyla · May 08, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Any KD -> Crushing Blow.
Unless you covered that in your post and I misunderstood...

Hmm, I think they misuse Magebane as a damage skill.

Hildor · May 08, 2008, 06:22 PM // 18:22

I just saw my Goren using Crushing Blow after Earth Shaker...(on the hammer+hero=lol-build I gave him while lvling him up and annoying my monks)

Selith Senjak · May 08, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

While I have never put "Fall Back" on my own heroes, I have seen it on the heroes belonging to some of my guild members - heroes are capable of using it correctly, but it seems they prefer to misuse it about 80% of the time.

arch psyker · May 08, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

AI uses skills as THEY see fit. Unfortunately AI can't currently (or maybe ever) be able to comprehend on the level humans can comprehend.

With a little bit of micro any skill can be used as a person sees fit.

distilledwill · May 08, 2008, 07:12 PM // 19:12

[Dwayna's Sorrow] <-- unfortunately. tested this on a minion bomber build today and Olias didnt even cast it once. Even when I stood there and allowed the minions to die around him. Neither did he cast it on any players who were close to death.

graverobber2 · May 08, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

beeing hexed with [diversion]
they just seem to cast through it

elevenfifty5 · May 08, 2008, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by distilledwill

[Dwayna's Sorrow] <-- unfortunately. tested this on a minion bomber build today and Olias didn't even cast it once. Even when I stood there and allowed the minions to die around him. Neither did he cast it on any players who were close to death.

Yeah I was real sad to see my minion master (Minion Bomber Variant. Which would have made this skill more usefull as minions are dying all the time) and monk heroes ignore this skill.
as they heal minions anyway I thought hell why not. This could be good. Ignored by my heroes had to force cast.

Note on [skill]Blood ritual[/skill] If you are holding a melee weapon (sword, axe spear etc..) Hero AI will not BR you unless you force it.

Since the update of [skill]Psychic Instability[/skill] Gwen now almost ignores this skill. (edit: bbcode description is wrong)

Monk Heroes do not use [skill]Divine Spirit[/skill] worth a salt. [skill]Signet of devotion[/skill] gets spammed by monk heroes leaving them in that 2 second cast way to often which IMO is bad. (Edit: Also Monk heroes misuse [skill]Cure hex[/skill] they treat it as a standard hex removal and ignore the healing potential. which is a waste IMO.)

Ele heroes have a rather unsuccessful time of [skill]steam[/skill] and [skill]Mind Blast[/skill]

I know I have noticed and blacklisted alot more skills but I am at work (yay for goofing off) and can't think of anything else atm.

Other notable things I have noticed with heroes. I will not give them more than one stance (where applicable) as they usually mess that up bad.
Edit: all these comments are geared around not having to micro, or as little micro managing as possible.

Tyla · May 08, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

The entire Protection Prayers line aswell.

legacyofkain85 · May 08, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

Any KD -> Crushing Blow.
Unless you covered that in your post and I misunderstood...

Hmm, I think they misuse Magebane as a damage skill.

u are right same goes for punishing shoot

elevenfifty5 · May 08, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Tyla

The entire Protection Prayers line aswell.

You said it.

EDIT:

Just read update notes. will give [skill]Dwaynas sorrow[/skill] another go.

distilledwill · May 08, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by distilledwill

[Dwayna's Sorrow] <-- unfortunately. tested this on a minion bomber build today and Olias didnt even cast it once. Even when I stood there and allowed the minions to die around him. Neither did he cast it on any players who were close to death.

And as if by magic!

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Originally Posted by New Update

* Improved Hero AI for using the Monk skill Dwayna’s Sorrow.

EDIT: Testing it in HM Raisu Palace Explorable... he uses it perfectly!

elevenfifty5 · May 08, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Hacker devs reading forums >.<

Kumu Honua · May 08, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

[skill]Waste Not, Want Not[/skill] heroes will use this as the first skill to be used. Even when at full energy. It's the first skill they will use when it recharges, again even if at full energy. Such potential wasted.

MercenaryKnight · May 09, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Just curious, does anyone know if now you can stick dwaynas sorrow on a minion bomber and will they actually use it to throw the enchant on their minions when they get clumped up? If so it could be a decent addition to the build.

Marverick · May 09, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

[skill]Essence Strike[/skill][skill]Shock Arrow[/skill][skill]Glowing Ice[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Glowstone[/skill][skill]Mind Blast[/skill]

Heroes just treat these skills as direct damage spells even though their primary purpose is energy management.

[skill]Disrupting Shot[/skill][skill]Magebane Shot[/skill][skill]Disrupting Throw[/skill]

Heroes don't use these as interrupts.

[skill]Power Block[/skill]

Heroes won't prioritize this skill, sometimes only using it after exhausting all their other interrupts against, say, a Ruby Djinn.

[skill]Mistrust[/skill][skill]Guilt[/skill][skill]Shame[/skill]

Heroes use these on foes who don't have any of the spells necessary to trigger the hex. ex. using Mistrust on Warriors.

[skill]Merciless Spear[/skill]

Heroes use this on foes above 50% health.

[skill]Maiming Spear[/skill]

Heroes use this when target foe isn't bleeding.

*insert every single Assassin Dagger skill*
Heroes use them far too conservatively

[skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill][skill]Ancestor's Rage[/skill]

Heroes don't use them.

[skill]Throw Dirt[/skill]

Heroes like to blind casters with it...

[skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill]

Heroes use it when target > 50% health.

distilledwill · May 09, 2008, 01:17 AM // 01:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by MercenaryKnight

Just curious, does anyone know if now you can stick dwaynas sorrow on a minion bomber and will they actually use it to throw the enchant on their minions when they get clumped up? If so it could be a decent addition to the build.

Yes, they do. Its really useful, usually hits all members of the party too. Not that you should be dying with an efficient minion wall.

Kumu Honua · May 09, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Marverick

[skill]Disrupting Shot[/skill]

Heroes don't use these as interrupts.

I have had Pyre using Disrupting Shot (The longer recharge helps keep his energy useful) and he uses it just fine.

He even prioritizes distracting over disrupting which is good.

Bront · May 09, 2008, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by elevenfifty5

Monk Heroes do not use [skill]Divine Spirit[/skill] worth a salt.

Realy? I had a HB hero build that used that skill quite well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyla

The entire Protection Prayers line aswell.

Not true, [Aegis] and some of the condition removal skills they use just fine.

Bront · May 09, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

[skill]Essence Strike[/skill][skill]Shock Arrow[/skill][skill]Glowing Ice[/skill][skill]Glowing Gaze[/skill][skill]Glowstone[/skill][skill]Mind Blast[/skill]

Heroes just treat these skills as direct damage spells even though their primary purpose is energy management.

Realy? [glowing gaze] on a rodgorts bar gets used quite well in my experience. They won't exclusively target burning, but they will prioritize burning targets, and set them on fire first if they can [rodgort's invocation][Incendiary Bonds][glowing gaze] as the first 3 skills on a dual attunement line and found it's been used quite effectively.